that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Crumb Eye. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. > the same time, being simple and concrete. ">> "Victor what can I say. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. 2. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. It's just idiotic. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. Orgy? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. Please either stop > or> shape up. >What else could he call it? Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. How? The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. >>What else could he call it? And Milich was expecting him. What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. That is a possible explanation. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. Please either stop orshape up. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad Let's get out of here.You're my witness. WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Please either stop or> shape up. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. at the ceremony/orgy. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? Desire is always Other. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? So is Ziegler lying? >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. But which'party' is Bill referring to? If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. andpleading with her to take off her mask? 0. WebSynopsis. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. <<<<<<<<<<<>. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Congratulations. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. Mandy was not the same woman. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." I found them both disappointing. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. What else could he call it? He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. at the > ceremony/orgy. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. orpsychotherapists. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. This is still a mystery. Web .

1925 . It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. 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