See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. If you struggle from any of the conditions mentioned below, it is a good idea to speak with a local U.S. Military recruiter. I was at SOI-West last summer. You're still not getting it. The lesson is that we need to make it impossible for people to lie. Having inconsistencies on your forms vs verbal answers is usually a major issue and will make it very difficult for you to get into the Marines now. Should I lie and say the scar is from an accident like jumping over a fence that needed stitches? Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. It indicates, "Click to perform a search". Your Recruiter will not be the one getting in troubleit will be you. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. This includes lying by omission (leaving information out) and lying by commission (purposefully misleading). You are using an out of date browser. You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. You should have had a post-op visit to measure refractions at 90 days post-op and then another 30 days after that visit.https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool+bag&defid=1959463. Never saw him again. Recruiter told me to lie . For some reason the Pacific breeze didnt reach that area. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Fraudulent Entry can get you kicked out of the military. Thanks for the details. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. They are looking for consistency". Good luck to you. I got LASIK a few months ago, I know the minimum time from surgery to MEPs has to be at least 6 months. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Cookie Notice You are using an out of date browser. lie at MEPS? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. It does not belong to any particular service division. I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. It could just be too early that they do not want to be responsible if there is a tear due to your eyes are still healing. Option 2: Lie. I was completely honest and I served honorably for 8 years. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. When did the AF start allowing pilots that have had LASIK? JavaScript is disabled. I would say lying at meps is a low risk high reward type of deal. She wanted to get out so bad she went full retard, doing something dishonorable to get thrown out on a general discharge. So do you think the cost is worth the benefit? Dont lie. Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. In bootcamp a kid had asthma and almost passed out going through the chicken road and he got kicked out for lying about his asthma, so I would be honest. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. ", he thought the answer was "No" because his cousin was the one getting counseling and he hadn't been diagnosed. Thank you for the quick replies. If I were you I would lie and say it's from a camping trip or something. Am I in danger like my friend said? The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. This was the man who my friend had confessed his pot usage to when we first showed up a month ago, but now my friend lied to him and he accepted the lie without hesitation. Know all the risks and procedure limitations. They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. Second, I got a ganglion cyst removed last summer. Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. Meps to Meps transfer of record/file, how long does it take? I have changed a few details to maintain anonymity, however the basics of the stories are very real and did happen. These include conditions like depression, bipolar disorder, epilepsy, heart issues, Asperger's, and PTSD. I lied at meps . We all come to this website for information and most of us have been corrected on our approach by the main contributors in some fashion. The young man did see another counselor in the same clinic, who identified several other stressors in his life, including moving away from home to begin college, worries about the cost of college, and a strong fear of public speaking. 48.3k Members 151 Online Created Sep 13, 2012 Join Top posts december 6th 2015 Top posts of december, 2015 Top posts 2015 Any help would be appreciated. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. 2. They'll simply deny him enlistment and move-on. So I left his office and my recruiter took me to up to the hotel. from USMCboot. As long as you werent taking the pills within 90 days it wont pop up so just dont talk about them. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? I haven't seriously considered joining a branch since my accident in 2003, but it still crosses my mind from time to time. As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. The girl with the suicide attempt would not be allowed to enlist today though. I didn't want to throw anybody the bus just want the correct paperwork to be done because it would take a google search to find all that medical stuff on me and I would like to work in government, What do I do? I had lasik back in November and just had an enhancement to my left eye on Friday that I've been stressing about. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. In hindsight, had I known this disaster of 'hurry up and wait' would happen I would have waited another month to check in. He said that there is a good chance that I could lose my op 40. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. Also, if that user name is actually your name it's a sign that you might not really be very good at this subterfuge thing. A magnifying glass. I've done the 1 month check and will do the 6, 3 months is coming up so I'll have to get that on the books. Finally, he was incorrectly interpreting the questions from his recruiter and MEPS to what he believed his own history was. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. 4,250. When we started to fill out similar questions with the recruiter I started saying 'yes' on some of the questions. Same with another section. Yet I come on this forum and nearly every single hopeful has 4 LORs from all sorts of military personnel and powerful individuals. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. For information regarding Navy enlisted ratings, see [Twisky's Rating Information Guide] (https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/). Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? Doctors said I had asthma growing up, my recruiter said don't mention it, he was probably jumping to conclusions. Do not encourage lying. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. If you can not look at yourself in the mirror in the morning it was the wrong decision. This isn't the place, and you aren't the expert. And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. (January 6, 2021, subversive for attending the rally - not me, but a friend). After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. Any advice? Idk if the policy is 1 or 3 years, Ive encountered both. LASIK Surgery Checklist. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. Anyone with any experience or advice? My friend says I might be in danger for being honest. When you're an officer and in a time-sensitive situation where lives are on the line, do you really think you have time to triple check? In another month, his symptoms and concerns had mostly resolved, and his cousin was also much better. My recruiter went the other direction, really stressed "Make sure you disclose EVERYTHING". If they don't find anything during their examinations, you should be good to go. I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didnt they found it at meps . That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. : r/USMCboot. Maybe from 2001-2007 or so she could. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it's a no go or not . He told them. Pretend now that either of these people had completed BMT without their prior Mental Health history ever evaluated. I have been 100% honest with my paperwork. Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts on your behalf. I realize you were told to lie, but you should have refused. I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn't they found it at meps . I think that I am going to just forget that it ever happened. Forgetting the medical side of this for a moment You must log in or register to reply here. I'm guessing you're done. I didn't mention it at the physical, everything when fine. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. She joined the army and just before graduating AIT she decided the Army wasn't for her (I told her not to do it, but did she listen? MEPS threaten to put these kids in fucking prison if they lie, and they lie anyway. It may not display this or other websites correctly. My cousin was in line for a navigator slot when he joined the Marines. It is not the recruiters job to get you into the military, nor is it MEPS' job to disqualify you. Lying will. About 3 years before joining the Air Force, his cousin attempted suicide. Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Now an MTI's recommendations are definitely considered, but they are really just a tiebreaker if the waiver authority is 50/50 on a case, and MTI's certainly do recommend separation sometimes. His family supported the cousin and were part an intensive family counseling program for suicide prevention, however this had a strong impact on our young man. It may not display this or other websites correctly. My knees were pretty well shot after 4 years active 11B. One new winner* is announced every week! So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. (Navy). and our Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. Want to learn about deploying, finances, mental health, cross-rating, and more? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. What is the biggest lie you have ever told or been told, The following errors occurred with your submission. During the MEPS process, recruits may be tempted to lie about past events. or "Do you have a history of depression? Some typical things that people lie about at MEPS include: Medical History So I was told to go into his office and asked me if I was lying about any paperwork and that is there anything I didn't disclose with my recruiter or if I have done drugs. Has "just asking for a friend" EVER worked, even if true? #12. I also had to have my opthalmologist fill out a form called MEPS Refractive Eye Surgery worksheet.Look at MANMED regarding LASIK. This disorder was triggered in BMT from a previously undisclosed mental condition. This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. My only option is to wait another month just to go back to get a 'check up', costing me precious time and money again, without insurance, pushing back my MEPS appointment another month or two. Messages. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). 1) I have been told by my Officer Recruiter that I do NOT need any Letters of Recommendation for a package. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? See Article 83 UCMJ. 48.8K. Well today I reserved an 11x op 40 contract with plans to go to MEPS Tues/Wed. Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). May 6, 2020. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. I had the active prescription but wasnt taking them. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. Lasik and Meps processing Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. Bit of stretch that anybody would have any insight on this subject, but the only thing stopping me from getting accepted for MEPS is my LASIK documentation. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. Overall, I have to say that I am troubled by the way you appear to be perceiving and interacting with the recruiters. First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. Do you think that they would have been able to successfully cope with these circumstances following the earlier problems? Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. Second, you state that the ORs are pushing you to lie. I plan on waiting the 6 months. Is there a glaucoma suspect trait i should be wary of, are there any other eye traits that would require further testing. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. If you do tell the truth about the surgery and wait 6 months for the lasik, you will probably still be able to get a contract, but you will have to go through a bunch of unnecessary shit. Hello, thank you everyone for this forum, it has been incredibly helpful. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Our advice is consistently not to lie at MEPS. Once you have gone through initial questioning phases with your recruiter and have discussed your options, your recruiter will set an. Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. We can't definitively know the answer to these hypotheticals, but we do know that the military would have never prepared them for it because they never were evaluated. Stupid kids want the power, the prestige, the money, the sweet benefitsthe military has a lot to offer. . I lied at MEPs about multiple things, I don't think it has affected my ability to be a soldier. This experience also likely caused further stress and worsened his long-term mental health because he was suddenly out of a multi-year career, and wasted many weeks of his and the Air Force's time. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. Because the military does not. I got disqualified to join the Air Force/military and I wanted to let you all know what was going on and how I was disqualified by MEPS.. I was in the same spot. Always good advice. They don't understand this stuff. Because of his failure to disclose his medical history at MEPS and it's discovery while he was on Medical Hold, he was administratively discharged from the Air Force without completing BMT for Fraudulent Enlistment. I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. 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